Page 1 of 2 12>
Topic Options
#1864570 - 09/18/23 03:12 PM Waves announces online mastering.
motown59 Offline
Planeteer/Artist # 238
Planeteer


Registered: 03/01/04
Posts: 17446
Loc: California
Interesting. They have a fair amount of credibility, products and tech to pull off something better than some/most of the other online one-click type services.

https://www.waves.com/online-mastering?u...s-nl1-sept-2023
_________________________
kel

"I love what you guys are trying to do up there" ...from an audience member at one of my gigs.
Gear: Fender Medium pick

Top
#1864593 - 09/18/23 06:05 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: motown59]
Ismellelephant Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 07/10/01
Posts: 52249
I'll give it a try, at least it isn't a subscription service.
_________________________
Archie Bunker was a lawyer.

Top
#1864646 - 09/19/23 02:06 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Ismellelephant]
Mooseboy Offline
Here sometimes
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 04/24/99
Posts: 36338
Good thing Falc retired when he did.
_________________________
In retrospect, that was the most deeply flawed part of our planÖ Next time I knock over a linen store, NO DUCKS!

Top
#1864653 - 09/19/23 03:19 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Mooseboy]
Popmann Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 32558
Loc: Twangville, TN
The results I've heard from online mastering has been fine except when people send particularly amateur mixes or want it BRUTALLY loud. Decent Gant overlap in those.

So there didnít seem to be pricing in the video.

I wonder if this is why weíve not seen Slateís Mastering plug updated even though he said they were deep in it quite a while ago.

Top
#1864654 - 09/19/23 03:22 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Popmann]
Ismellelephant Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 07/10/01
Posts: 52249
Pricing
_________________________
Archie Bunker was a lawyer.

Top
#1864655 - 09/19/23 03:37 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Ismellelephant]
LarryG Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 02/04/00
Posts: 2893
Loc: FL
Reasonable pricing. And no cost if the client isnít satisfied.
_________________________
/LarryG

Top
#1864662 - 09/19/23 10:57 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: LarryG]
moontan Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 04/16/99
Posts: 31428
Loc: Sol III
 Originally Posted By: LarryG
Reasonable pricing. And no cost if the client isnít satisfied.


it's even cheaper if you do it yourself.
_________________________
YouTube
SoundCloud

Top
#1864752 - 09/20/23 05:22 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Mooseboy]
FalconEddy Online   content
Retired Mastering Marvel
Planeteer


Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 10376
Loc: Litchfield, NH, USA
 Originally Posted By: Mooseboy
Good thing Falc retired when he did.


I've ONLY 'retired' for NEW customers wanting mastering, such as yourself, Doug. \:\)

Established clientele are still welcome to enjoy mastering by me, as I have done nine albums so far this year for them. Two were international.

Obviously trimmed WAY down, but NO local advertising, and nothing on the internet, which includes NO webpage.

One of the most enjoyable thrills I get out of life, is when I'm listening to one of the many online streaming music apps (for a certain type of music, whatever); and someone's song comes on that I mastered! It happens nearly every day.

That REALLY makes me smile...a LOT.


. . Falcon
_________________________
. . . but, what do I know?

Top
#1864771 - 09/20/23 10:04 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: moontan]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: moontan
 Originally Posted By: LarryG
Reasonable pricing. And no cost if the client isnít satisfied.


it's even cheaper if you do it yourself.


That TC FINALIZER --sure sufficed in the 90's > happy budget clients == and Alesis furthered that with the Masterlink ~!
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864772 - 09/20/23 10:15 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
Tried one --- from the 880 --- SAYS " NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM " \:o

Come on :: full 16 bit -- mixed to the Masterlink


Edited by C Jo Go (09/20/23 10:16 PM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864774 - 09/20/23 10:42 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
moontan Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 04/16/99
Posts: 31428
Loc: Sol III
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: moontan
 Originally Posted By: LarryG
Reasonable pricing. And no cost if the client isnít satisfied.


it's even cheaper if you do it yourself.


That TC FINALIZER --sure sufficed in the 90's > happy budget clients == and Alesis furthered that with the Masterlink ~!


if the mix is good, then then Mastering job is easy.

i'll put a saturation plugin on the Master to get the highs just the way i want it, then a Limiter with a couple of dB of reduction just to catch the stray peaks.
_________________________
YouTube
SoundCloud

Top
#1864776 - 09/20/23 10:45 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: moontan]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: moontan
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: moontan
 Originally Posted By: LarryG
Reasonable pricing. And no cost if the client isnít satisfied.


it's even cheaper if you do it yourself.


That TC FINALIZER --sure sufficed in the 90's > happy budget clients == and Alesis furthered that with the Masterlink ~!


if the mix is good, then then Mastering job is easy.

i'll put a saturation plugin on the Master to get the highs just the way i want it, then a Limiter with a couple of dB of reduction just to catch the stray peaks.



We have a limiter at the end - 0.01--- no Saturation plug \:o -- maybe I can search one out -- trying to keep it simple

one EQ ~~~~ one Comp >>> TDR plugs >>

Most tweaking should already be applied >>in the mixing stage


Edited by C Jo Go (09/21/23 02:36 AM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864778 - 09/21/23 12:15 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
Tao Jones Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 06/13/00
Posts: 14653
Loc: CA
Hmmmm
Top
#1864785 - 09/21/23 01:44 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Tao Jones]
Popmann Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 32558
Loc: Twangville, TN
I fully would recommend Tao explore options using AI if it's not in the budget to get actual caring human ears to do it. It's too late in the day to change course and "learn to master".

When you get ready to, though...allow me to show you what you should do to EVALUATE the master candidates. It's a BIG...BIG...fucking deal. It will ensure you get a GOOD SOUNDING master. Not JUST a loud one. THAT is a skill (and experience hearing the ACTUAL difference) that will help you at MANY turns of audio engineering.

Top
#1864786 - 09/21/23 01:54 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Popmann]
The Vampire Lestat Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 01/09/00
Posts: 4456
We're supposed to be starting an album project. We haven't decided if I'm going to record it or if we'll use a local studio. I'll probably be in the market for a mastering service in about a year. The band operates at the pace of a glacier anymore. This seems like a very inexpensive option, but it is kind of weird at the same time.
Top
#1864792 - 09/21/23 04:36 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
FalconEddy Online   content
Retired Mastering Marvel
Planeteer


Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 10376
Loc: Litchfield, NH, USA
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
Tried one --- from the 880 --- SAYS " NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM " \:o

Come on :: full 16 bit -- mixed to the Masterlink


C Jo...You're joking, right?

First of all, I'd NEVER use the terminology 'FULL 16 bit' together in the same sentence.

Secondly, if you're being told there's "NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM", that one's totally your error.

You need to be giving the mastering engineer plenty of room (in dB's) to work with the final mix. You ALSO can't simply slam it with a limiter way up at -0.01dB, either.

I don't know of a single replication house in the world that would accept such a thing like that. Running a True Peak level against something like that would show more clips than having your dog sent to the groomers for a haircut.

Running peaks at -6dB will leave the mastering engineer enough headroom to let them work with the material. Of course it really depends on the genre of material and level of dynamics within it.

. . Falcon
_________________________
. . . but, what do I know?

Top
#1864794 - 09/21/23 05:02 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
Tried one --- from the 880 --- SAYS " NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM " \:o

Come on :: full 16 bit -- mixed to the Masterlink


C Jo...You're joking, right?

First of all, I'd NEVER use the terminology 'FULL 16 bit' together in the same sentence.

Secondly, if you're being told there's "NOT ENOUGH HEAD ROOM", that one's totally your error.

You need to be giving the mastering engineer plenty of room (in dB's) to work with the final mix. You ALSO can't simply slam it with a limiter way up at -0.01dB, either.

I don't know of a single replication house in the world that would accept such a thing like that. Running a True Peak level against something like that would show more clips than having your dog sent to the groomers for a haircut.

Running peaks at -6dB will leave the mastering engineer enough headroom to let them work with the material. Of course it really depends on the genre of material and level of dynamics within it.

. . Falcon


Well :: it was back in 1997-98 -- maybe did not have all the skill sets yet \:o

---Certainly not a music computer > of any type /\

Some type of rack EQ & a DBX comp ---

Don't have the original data backup -- just one DAT stereo "master" SO its all I have to send
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864795 - 09/21/23 05:08 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy


First of all, I'd NEVER use the terminology 'FULL 16 bit' together in the same sentence.

. . Falcon


Can not lie -- the Roland VS 880 was ++++ 16bit/44.1khz maximum. Can't get much more out her Scotty ...


Edited by C Jo Go (09/21/23 05:09 AM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864824 - 09/21/23 05:08 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
Xenophile Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 09/27/00
Posts: 18445
Loc: Sacramento, CA, USA
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
it was back in 1997-98 -- maybe did not have all the skill sets yet


_________________________
"Bobby, I'm sorry you got a head like a potato. I really am."

Top
#1864825 - 09/21/23 05:14 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
.
.
I don't know of a single replication house in the world that would accept such a thing like that. .

. . Falcon


That's like bringing your art to a framing shop & then they reject the image ~~not to be allowed in any of their frames



Edited by C Jo Go (09/22/23 01:09 AM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864827 - 09/21/23 05:40 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Xenophile]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: Xenophile
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
it was back in 1997-98 -- maybe did not have all the skill sets yet






Still learning daily : : ears open and fingers on the mouse >> studying the workin's of Reaper /plugs ;\)

Remembering that Tapco mixer and cassette recordings> in 1978 -- and the HiFI audio of the early 70's

Paul Simon's KODACHROME and Doobie Brothers OLD BLACK WATER .. were good demo LP's for the store >> as well as the Sheffield direct to disc records

> testing my ears @ work everyday :::


Edited by C Jo Go (09/21/23 07:12 PM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864848 - 09/21/23 10:28 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
Will maybe send them a more of a "modern" song :: say 2010 ....

Something I can remix to the specs of WAVS suggestions >>>> ;\)

FALCON :: If ya give them a file 25 + years old -- SLAMMED >>> with no way to recover the original tracks ....you make it seem that the song is a final > ( which makes tech sense ;\) ) format wars win again ..




Edited by C Jo Go (09/21/23 10:37 PM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864850 - 09/21/23 10:50 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
FalconEddy Online   content
Retired Mastering Marvel
Planeteer


Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 10376
Loc: Litchfield, NH, USA
 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
Will maybe send them a more of a "modern" song :: say 2010 ....

Something I can remix to the specs of WAVS suggestions >>>> ;\)

FALCON :: If ya give them a file 25 + years old -- SLAMMED >>> with no way to recover the original tracks ....you make it seem that the song is a final > ( which makes tech sense ;\) ) format wars win again ..




Ok, dude...glad to hear you've returned to the current decade. \:\)

I'm in the studios right now and just about to DL that tune from SoundCloud. Once I give it a quick bench test on the TECHNICAL side, we'll all know why it was rejected.

Or, perhaps I'll just take it offline and send what the scoop is to you in a PM.

I'm fairly confident what's going one here, as well as how it could be easily rectified.

But I'm NOT going to tell ANYONE but YOU the solution if I'm correct. And NEITHER will you... CORRECT???

Tricks of the trade after decades of testing and work with much older files, man.

Falcon
_________________________
. . . but, what do I know?

Top
#1864854 - 09/21/23 11:33 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
Thanks so kindly FALCON -- love to hear the masters result .... I have another Planet member > who is willing to extract the backup data and send me a CD of the 8 tracks ... I found the 16 tracks on the midi floppy > for the song to sync.
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1864859 - 09/22/23 12:15 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: C Jo Go]
Marty Gilman Offline
Official Planet Sax Monster - Planeteer/Artist # 117
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 04/05/00
Posts: 26137
Loc: Palm Beach, Florida- U S A
Interesting. With my hearing as screwed up as it is,I am quite shy when it comes to mastering, knowing that the highs will be screwed up. I have no recordings in the works now or near future so Iím not worried.

I did quite enjoy my masterlink in the day.

-m
_________________________
Can you play that an octave louder?


Top
#1864880 - 09/22/23 02:45 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Marty Gilman]
Tao Jones Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 06/13/00
Posts: 14653
Loc: CA
Either my attempts to master will sound good, or Iíll take it to a pro like I did on all the other albums.
Top
#1865004 - 09/23/23 02:35 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: motown59]
FalconEddy Online   content
Retired Mastering Marvel
Planeteer


Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 10376
Loc: Litchfield, NH, USA
Ok folks, after some heavy bench testing I came away consistently with basically the same results.

As I submitted final files that were EXACTLY at -5.5dB, they ALL came back completely BLOWN OUT at -.10 db or higher.

When I attempted to convert these wave files to MP3's. I found that the clipping levels were EXTRAORDINARY. These levels resulted in 101 clips within a 00:4:30 song, which is totally unacceptable.

Measuring on only a simple scale, it recorded (auto-mastered) 7.8 left, and 7.5 right for the Dynamic Range values (DR7), and -7.5 L and -7.8 R for the RMS Levels.

Basically VERY LITTLE dynamics, and now had the perceived volume level of a Foo Fighters live concert sitting in the front row, center.

Love the Foo Fighters, but NOT at THOSE levels.

Oh...and the original file that I submitted @ -5.5 dB for plenty of headroom, ALSO started out as a DR15

. .Falcon


Edited by FalconEddy (09/23/23 05:57 PM)
Edit Reason: added some info AND color...TWICE
_________________________
. . . but, what do I know?

Top
#1865006 - 09/23/23 02:53 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
Tao Jones Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 06/13/00
Posts: 14653
Loc: CA
Iím guessing this is not good.
Top
#1865011 - 09/23/23 04:44 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Tao Jones]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
That TC FINALIZER -- made it so easy --- just hit the magic button> trusted that for all mixes -- just did not know . Had no software to tell me different ----

--
 Quote:
These levels resulted in 101 clips within a 00:4:30 song, which is totally unacceptable.


They did not have Google searches back then ==word of mouth or the library --- in those days. \:o

thanks FALCON


Edited by C Jo Go (09/23/23 04:51 AM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1865017 - 09/23/23 11:36 AM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: FalconEddy]
moontan Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 04/16/99
Posts: 31428
Loc: Sol III
 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy

When I attempted to convert these wave files to MP3's. I found that the clipping levels were EXTRAORDINARY. These levels resulted in 101 clips within a 00:4:30 song, which is totally unacceptable.


that's what happens when someone doesn't know the basics.
audio engineering is not only an art, it's also a science.
which involves a lot of studying and learning.
_________________________
YouTube
SoundCloud

Top
#1865029 - 09/23/23 02:08 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: moontan]
Chris Flynn Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 6933
Loc: Rochester, Michigan
Hard pass, after reading Falcon's clipping comments in the thread.

I've had good luck with the Waves Abbey Road Studios TG mastering chain presets, anyway. And when I can't utilize that plugin I sometimes find on a good setting on the Ozone 8 Elements mastering plugin.

I will admit that professional mastering blows away anything I have ever mastered by myself. I was amazed by the sound they produced, which far exceeded the quality, and my use of the above plugins and their presets.

You get what you pay for.
_________________________
aka Chris Ruetenik





Top
#1865039 - 09/23/23 03:29 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Chris Flynn]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
What did you use to burn :: in 95?


First CD pressed was about 95 ...the client and I had to drive 5 hours round trip to San Francisco...they had a Sontec eq and not sure the rest of the gear...delivered them a dat.
Got a discount between mid night and 5 am ....got back home in the wee hours. Could not even reap the rewards and listen back to the CD on the drive home > not in my 760 Volvo wagon

Rocket Labs .


Started buying stand alone CD burners --blanks were not cheap & the machines made more blanks than final quality burns ..worst on board software.


First one that really worked ( and out of my budget ) HHB


Edited by C Jo Go (09/23/23 05:26 PM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
#1865040 - 09/23/23 03:30 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Chris Flynn]
Popmann Offline
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 32558
Loc: Twangville, TN
Now just imagine if you paid someone to MIX, which objectively makes WAY fucking more difference than mastering. And a solid mix makes mastering for about any "level" easy.

So, Falcon...you certainly have some INPUT into the mastering style, no? You do with all other online automated mastering I've heard people use. I can remember a local songwriter had one of them--don't remember which, run down--I feel like they had 5 levels of loudness...he ran down like 4,3,2 (lower number is louder) as an experiment...and HE was disappointed that 2 started to sound "bad" to him and still played on streaming as "not as loud" as whatever he was comparing. He really liked the sound of 3, but didn't feel it was "competitive" enough...in his world of...whatever it is he's competing with. And while he liked 4, he thought "that's the level I can get with a simple limiter"...thus I don't know if he's continued to use whichever service that was...he SHOULD, though...I disagree with him--both 3&4 sounded better than anything I've heard him do himself...and I was peeved he didn't run down 5, which I'd assume is you know--mastering to sound BEST--so, what mastering ACTUALLY meant before, say, 1995.

Top
#1865045 - 09/23/23 04:29 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Popmann]
Tao Jones Offline
Planeteer


Registered: 06/13/00
Posts: 14653
Loc: CA
ďMastering to sound bestĒ

Yeah, thatíll be what I want.

The pro Iíve used is quite good, but he used to charge 50 per song and that was giving me a break. By now, Iím sure the prices will be higher, and my 13 song album would cost at least a thousand. Iím not poor, but we are helping our kid get through Berkeley. 1000 does give me pause.

Ultimately, Iím going to do whatever is needed to make it sweet.

Top
#1865047 - 09/23/23 04:44 PM Re: Waves announces online mastering. [Re: Popmann]
C Jo Go Online   content
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
Loquacious Planeteer


Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 35217
Loc: carmel valley,ca
 Originally Posted By: Popmann
what mastering ACTUALLY meant before, say, 1995.


My first studio in the 70's It was in the dug out basement ( dirt floor) of this VETS hall ---Truckee CA

Where it had moved by 95 ==

I just kept going to the trade shows --twice a year >> and switching out gear


There just was not enough info for home studios : on mixing , let alone mastering --a few books and monthly mags--


Think of only having that simple meter on your mix down cassette.. Planeteers ...

A rack of 4 APHEX Compressors

Lexicon LXP 1 & 5 for effects & ART

Rockin away on the pads

Where were you in '95

20 tracks at mixdown with the AKAI 4 track dig ++ 16 tracks of the 2 Roland machines /sequencers


Edited by C Jo Go (09/23/23 05:40 PM)
_________________________
You're so 1985, MG🌟

**( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡į )**

Top
Page 1 of 2 12>


Hop to:
Shout Box

Newest Members
Martin Nohava, nadir, joseph9591, ARP70, Furry
21359 Registered Users

Generated in 0.032 seconds in which 0.001 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression disabled.