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#1919732 - 08/04/24 06:14 AM Mini PC review ??
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#1919733 - 08/04/24 07:00 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Is DDR5 that much faster --runs less hot ?? Would be advantageous in a small print box ...
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#1919736 - 08/04/24 08:44 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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I got this in April.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09SZ53RH8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

Blazingly fast and quiet too.
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#1919737 - 08/04/24 10:54 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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What do you want to use it for, CJo?

 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
Is DDR5 that much faster --runs less hot ?? Would be advantageous in a small print box ...

Faster than what? Yes, DDR4 is faster than DDR-3, and DDR-5 is faster than DDR-4. However, there are different speeds for each type/generation of RAM, i.e. 2600/3200/3600 HHz DDR-4, 4800/5200/5600/6000 MHz DDR-5. That's just a clock speed, there's also timing/latency of different RAM.

So, is different RAM faster than others? Yes. Will you notice it? Depends, but I'd venture to guess you would not.

Also, when it comes to speed of a system, there are different factors, mainly processor speed, SSD speed, and RAM speed. In general (very), you'll notice RAM speed the least.

Heat: is pretty much a non-issue for RAM unless you're going to overclock it (you're not).

 Originally Posted By: Alan

It's definitely a better choice than what you linked to, CJo, for almost the same money.
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#1919808 - 08/04/24 02:43 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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Going to run CS 4 Photoshop ..and surf -- run dual monitors ---Scanner software ....that's it basically ...

The desktop in use is about 10 years old ...might be time :-)

Hope they have simpler software to "transfer" my Programs ...


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#1919809 - 08/04/24 02:46 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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It's definitely a better choice than what you linked to, CJo, for almost the same money.


I guess the one I am tempting was a TB drive --- just such a small footprint +++ any heat I can keep dissipated >> is why the question of DDR 5...
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#1919821 - 08/04/24 03:25 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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You can't just pop ddr-5 RAM in any computer and have it make any difference. The motherboard has to be compatible, and for that, you'll need something more modern.

FWIW, the computer you linked to is a 6th generation Intel. We're at 14th generation now (with 15 around the corner), so that's an 8 year old machine.

Also, for what you want to use it for, you should really have a discreet graphics card, IMHO. Any half decent one would cost more than that computer by itself. However, if you select a little more money, you could get an AMD based machine with solid on board graphics, something like a mini pc with a 7840hs, 7940hs, 8845hs, processor, etc, as they all have 780M graphics built in.

Btw, all of the above processors use ddr-5 RAM.
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#1919964 - 08/05/24 05:56 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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 Originally Posted By: MadGuitrst
You can't just pop ddr-5 RAM in any computer and have it make any difference. The motherboard has to be compatible, and for that, you'll need something more modern.

FWIW, the computer you linked to is a 6th generation Intel. We're at 14th generation now (with 15 around the corner), so that's an 8 year old machine.

Also, for what you want to use it for, you should really have a discreet graphics card, IMHO. Any half decent one would cost more than that computer by itself. However, if you select a little more money, you could get an AMD based machine with solid on board graphics, something like a mini pc with a 7840hs, 7940hs, 8845hs, processor, etc, as they all have 780M graphics built in.

Btw, all of the above processors use ddr-5 RAM.


Can I get all that you suggest in a $500 Mini PC ? The desktop to be replaced is very old --- like first generation Intel / WIN 7 --finally updated to 10 & went from 4 gb ram to 16 ...


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#1919965 - 08/05/24 07:09 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Minisforum UM 780 xtx on Amazon: $569.00
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#1919966 - 08/05/24 07:16 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.
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#1919968 - 08/05/24 11:00 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: TAPKAE]
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CJo probably thought he was asking for the impossible, with no intention to buy. I guess we're about to find out.
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#1920000 - 08/05/24 02:16 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: TAPKAE]
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 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


If there is a simple "tool" to drag/transfer from my existing tower?? I will buy .... All my programs ...Win 10 & CS 4 >> fall into place on the MINI ;\)
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#1920015 - 08/05/24 03:07 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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it was obvious.

I don't know why I waste my time, why we all waste our time.
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#1920044 - 08/05/24 04:18 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


If there is a simple "tool" to drag/transfer from my existing tower?? I will buy .... All my programs ...Win 10 & CS 4 >> fall into place on the MINI ;\)

There isn’t.

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#1920056 - 08/05/24 05:10 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: Dave Morris]
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 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


If there is a simple "tool" to drag/transfer from my existing tower?? I will buy .... All my programs ...Win 10 & CS 4 >> fall into place on the MINI ;\)

There isn’t.


So how the does lonely layman transfer files /// maybe there are decent U Tubes OR could be the reason my PC is so old == waiting for the industry to come up with such a device ..

I know they have it for phones ... ;\)

Search for storefront or house call tech who does this feat ..

SO really want to purchase today BUT more huge steps for a luddite


Watching /Taking notes



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#1920061 - 08/05/24 05:17 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Generally speaking, you can copy files easily enough. However, you cannot copy programs, because many of them, as part of the installation process, update your registry. So you should plan on reinstalling (and updating) your software as well.
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#1920064 - 08/05/24 05:20 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: flatcat]
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I'll sell you a Macbook Pro set up for audio and with CS on it. You might even be able get Logic and Reaper.
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#1920066 - 08/05/24 05:21 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: flatcat]
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 Originally Posted By: flatcat
Generally speaking, you can copy files easily enough. However, you cannot copy programs, because many of them, as part of the installation process, update your registry. So you should plan on reinstalling (and updating) your software as well.



THats how its been for years -- with PROGRAMS --

But its 2024 : thought for sure by now --we could drag and drop that Adobe CS
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#1920068 - 08/05/24 05:26 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: TAPKAE]
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 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
I'll sell you a Macbook Pro set up for audio and with CS on it. You might even be able get Logic and Reaper.


That would be too much for my computer savvy --- As I have said :: never worked an Apple } just way different than the PC architecture ..


AND would never welcome a Company that "forces" the owner to update constantly

I hear the stories from many in town > "Now this software will not work with Sequoia but Monterey still fine?" All the programs I installed in WIN 7 never failed ..




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#1920075 - 08/05/24 05:57 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Only 8 left in stock - order soon. AMAZON ---- In my cue >> soon as I find a reliable tech to install ..
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#1920080 - 08/05/24 06:02 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
Going to run CS 4 Photoshop ..and surf -- run dual monitors ---Scanner software ....that's it basically ...

The desktop in use is about 10 years old ...might be time :-)

Hope they have simpler software to "transfer" my Programs ...


That machine I shared can do that without sweating. Don't forget it has a C-port for dual monitor output using something like a Selore to 2 HDMI adaptor (plus many usb outs etc)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Docking-Splitte...74&gad_source=1

Also the USB 3 connections can be attached to any portable SSD drive capacity you desire.
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#1920087 - 08/05/24 06:19 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: TAPKAE]
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 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


YES ::: just realized the one you have suggested forgot to include WIN 10 ??
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#1920089 - 08/05/24 06:23 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


YES ::: just realized the one you have suggested forgot to include WIN 10 ??


It comes with WIN 10 + 1

Never mind!
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#1920096 - 08/05/24 06:54 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: Alan]
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 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go
 Originally Posted By: TAPKAE
That’s too expensive. He might need a um, complimentary version of Windows too.


YES ::: just realized the one you have suggested forgot to include WIN 10 ??


It comes with WIN 10 + 1

Never mind!


Thanks -- still searching for a tech to transfer --
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#1920100 - 08/05/24 07:11 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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You generally can't transfer programs.
There are some programs that attempt it - eg Laplink PCMover, but it is hit and miss, and you will have problems - especially with software versions no longer supported, and where you don't have license codes.
Suggest you don't hire the tech that installed Windows 10 and didn't give you the software licenses

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#1920109 - 08/05/24 07:58 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: Dave Morris]
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Y
Suggest you don't hire the tech that installed Windows 10 and didn't give you the software licenses


The last two I used >> were in that same vein -- even the store front guy.. Maybe because they can save $ & them licensing WIN..

WIN is only about $50+ --maybe on a thumb drive now ;\)

Can easily purchase a DVD external ++ so I can load my CS ADOBE


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#1920128 - 08/05/24 09:12 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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If you have the install discs for all the programs you want to load it should be possible - I would not count on finding old versions of stuff on the web - especially photoshop which I believe is all subscription now.

And win10 itself is getting obsoleted pretty soon.

I do wonder if one of the little minis with built in graphics has good enough graphics hardware for hardcore photoshopping...depends on your needs I guess.

It probably would not be good enough for some professional graphics designers.

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#1920129 - 08/05/24 09:13 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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cant you just steal them until you figure out how to operate them?
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#1920138 - 08/05/24 10:34 PM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: bear]
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I do wonder if one of the little minis with built in graphics has good enough graphics hardware for hardcore photoshopping...depends on your needs I guess.

It probably would not be good enough for some professional graphics designers.

It is an important point. The one I linked to has an AMD 7840HS processor, and that has 780M onboard graphics, which is about as good as any onboard graphics gets, as good as lower end (now) discreet processors, such as a GTX 1650, and I'd guess better than what CJo has now. It's about equivalent to Apple M2 Pro/M2 Max processors in power, though the graphics aren't quite as good (but pretty close).

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m2-pro-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7840hs

A Mac Mini, with 24gb of RAM (vs 32) would run about $1,400. I'm not saying the UM780 xtx is as good as the Mac Mini, but it's not too far off in terms of processing power, and for about 40% of the price. Not to mention, the Mac isn't expandable, and the Minisforum is (it has a second M.2 slot, and RAM is expandable to 64gb). Another option, if desired in the future, is that you can run a discrete graphics card via an OCulink port.

None of this matters, of course, because CJo isn't going to buy anything. \:D
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#1920164 - 08/06/24 12:31 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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it was obvious.

I don't know why I waste my time, why we all waste our time.


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#1920165 - 08/06/24 12:34 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: jimmyrock]
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cant you just steal them until you figure out how to operate them?


Just a being a good concerned consumer -- Don't let those MFG's bully you into a product without a knowledge base of instructions.
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#1920166 - 08/06/24 12:38 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: bear]
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If you have the install discs for all the programs you want to load it should be possible - I would not count on finding old versions of stuff on the web - especially photoshop which I believe is all subscription now.



This machine will be for my EPSON scanner V 700 and CS 4 Photoshop .. emails and watching movies on the second monitor & the occasional blog here
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#1920168 - 08/06/24 12:41 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: Alan]
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That machine I shared can do that without sweating. Don't forget it has a C-port for dual monitor output using something like a Selore to 2 HDMI adaptor (plus many usb outs etc)

Also the USB 3 connections can be attached to any portable SSD drive capacity you desire.


Thanks for sharing that info on the SELORE adaptor ~!! I have a USB extension setup now > for my 5 ext drives... to this PC
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#1920176 - 08/06/24 12:52 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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WITH the free return policy @ Amazon -- buy & return if it takes to long to get it up and running ///Got a DVD external now --to load up my Adobe OEM CS software...Give it a whirl for week /// if not compatible with my required uses > box it back :-)

Edited by C Jo Go (08/08/24 05:03 PM)
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#1920180 - 08/06/24 01:05 AM Re: Mini PC review ?? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Just don't even bother, you're not gonna get it going.

This is nothing but being par for the course whenever someone gets a new computer; it has nothing to do wit the computer, only the user. It doesn't matter what computer you buy, you have to install your software/programs. It's not on the computer manufacturer to make it work, it's up to you.

One of the issues you will run into is that you're using outdated software that is no longer supported, and your license(s), if you have one, might not be transferrable, if even available.

Also, do you realize you'll be moving to Windows 11? That should be a hoot! \:D
And don't even think about trying to go back to/use Windows 10.

And, if by chance you do actually buy that system, or any other like it, make sure to go to the manufacturers website and download all of the software for it, which is Windows and the drivers-it doesn't come with discs, AFAIK, many things don't in this day and age. Also, make sure to locate your license for Windows and keep it someplace safe. Then again, it's pretty likely you'll be returning the computer, so...

Best of luck!
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