#1930320 - 09/23/24 07:57 AM
Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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Wesg
WizzleWessel
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Hi,
I'm working on my VS2480 for some new tracks and I am now recording vocals with condenser mics. The sensitivity of condenser mics make that it picks up quite some noise from the VS2480. It is this high pitched noise, I think it is the hard drive, or maybe also the fan. Are there ways to reduce the sounds produced by the machine? I do not have a lot for space because I am recording in my room. I now have to record my vocals in the bathroom, which isn't ideal either. Hope to hear from you.
Greetings, Wessel (AKA WizzleWessel)
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#1930374 - 09/23/24 03:34 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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calypso
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The only thing I know is to change the fan for a modern "silent" type. Make sure you get the right size!
Edited by calypso (09/23/24 03:35 PM)
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#1942342 - 11/15/24 08:24 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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WizzleWessel
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I have installed the fan (Noctua NF-R8 redux-1200) and indeed that is a nice step, it is very quiet. However, this led to noticing that most noise comes from the hard disk and even more, the fan for the hard disk. So I wanted some kind of solid state drive. I tried putting all kinds of ssd's and adapters, sd cards and a cf card inside but nothing worked. I post my "findings" here: https://www.vsplanet.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1942341#Post1942341
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#1942355 - 11/15/24 10:07 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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uptildawn
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Using a closet space, rather than a bathroom will benefit your microphone recordings in many ways, far exceeding the results you get in a typical bathroom - or at least facing an open freestanding clothes cupboard (with clothes in it) would also do wonders in general. You might consider those options for basic improvement and possibly knock down some of the noise generated by the VS as a bonus.
You might also minimize the VS noise, if really restricted in space, by always turning the address face of the mic to be at a right angle to the VS, where sound is picked up the least. Also, use a cardiod, or hypercardiod capsule/pattern, where your mic offers a choice, over an omnisphere, or figure 8 option.
You can also try placing an absorbing barrier between the mic and the VS (like a mattress, or even a large pillow) and place the mic as close to the recording source as possible to minimize the ambient room noise. And get the mic as far away from the VS and hard surfaces (like plaster walls) as possible. Sometimes placing the mic a bit offcenter from the middle of the room can also help to minimize ambient noises - although I do realize avoiding the high pitched whine of the hard drive (if using a traditional spinner) will be especially difficult to avoid.
Edited by uptildawn (11/15/24 10:15 PM)
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#1942494 - 11/16/24 03:19 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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dkfackler
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All good suggestions.
I’ve always wondered whether the small screaming HDD fan was truly needed. Based on diameter, can it really move much air?
~dk
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#1942607 - 11/17/24 03:52 AM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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FalconEddy
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All good suggestions.
I’ve always wondered whether the small screaming HDD fan was truly needed. Based on diameter, can it really move much air?
~dk
Well, you know me, dk, and how I LOVE to re-engineer things that less gifted engineers should have thought of in the FIRST place. That's why I installed an ON-OFF BYPASS ROCKER SWITCH for that thing about six months out of the box on the backside near the fan itself...and WELL AWAY from the power switch.
The LAST thing I needed was to have to recover an entire partitions-worth of data/music on a PC. GEEZUS that was such a major P.I.T.A.
If I could just throw in a MAJOR BITCH about the VS-2480-HD for a moment...
As nice as this all-in-one many multitrack system was, it was was just unforgivable that they rushed it to market WAY too quickly.
The original 1.xx OS had more bugs than an overburdened entomologist, and rushing to fix issues usually resulted in creating at least one or more new issues.
The key would have been to have the Quality Assurance Department give the fixes a serious shakedown WITH EVERYTHING, before sending out the new version.
I remember the time that a long awaited fix actually resulted in preventing the external CD-R peripheral hardware box from being able to be seen.
This happened due to them updating the VS-2480-HD in the QA Dept via SMF (Standard MIDI Files), but the sent the new release out to everyone on a CD-ROM. So they would have never picked up the issue 'in-house' from the way they updated the OS. 
I used to tell them maybe it was time to create a Flow Chart for their testing environment; and NEVER deviate from it in order to be certain all of the key processes and critical guidelines were being maintained.
AND, if they didn't have a set of either of those...perhaps it was high time someone started writing a few of them up, then adjusting them in order to fine tune them along the way, since 'wingin' it obviously doesn't work. 
. . Falcon
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#1942920 - 11/18/24 10:46 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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WizzleWessel
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Thanks for the suggestions. If I fail with anything for the ssd solution I will try to consider your tips. But I now have tried the machine on without fan and HDD and I now dont want to go back, it is so silent. I think it also is better for my comfort to have no noise, Sometimes the hdd / fan noises can drive me nuts.
Interesting thought on the HDD fan. I am also wondering how warm / hot these HDD's get. Is it really that necessary?
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#1943541 - 11/21/24 11:13 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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FalconEddy
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Thanks for the suggestions. If I fail with anything for the ssd solution I will try to consider your tips. But I now have tried the machine on without fan and HDD and I now dont want to go back, it is so silent. I think it also is better for my comfort to have no noise, Sometimes the hdd / fan noises can drive me nuts.
Interesting thought on the HDD fan. I am also wondering how warm / hot these HDD's get. Is it really that necessary?
They can get pretty DAMN WARM with the rear fan bypassed.
I wouldn't count on performing L-O-N-G recording sessions due to that fact.
Although the SSD option semi-works, it wasn't always 100% reliable for me. Even during my bench-testing for a few weeks with different models, they were VERY glitchy.
The rear fan helps to cool more than just the HDD. Namely, all of the electronic components within the casing itself.
Now, since the VS-2480 units will be approaching around 25 years old VERY soon, their internal electronic components are already subject to 'end of life' service.
Some components last longer than others, some simple resistors, capacitors, diodes, etc., are replaceable, and many other proprietary items are no longer available...Except by scavaging parts from other VS-2480's.
Also, remember that you can record directly to an external SCSI hard drive. YES, all 16 tracks at once, as I tested and documented this feature back in 200x, after v2.xxx was released.
And in all modes of recording.
So, just bear this all in mind.
You are welcome to contact me directly via the PM feature here at the VS Planet.
. . FalconEddy
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#1943549 - 11/21/24 11:23 PM
Re: Reducing noise made by the Roland VS-2480
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dkfackler
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Confirming that all 16 tracks can recorded to a SCSI2SD appliance. This also simplifies file transfer to a computer.
~dk
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