#1931623 - 09/27/24 10:30 PM
waves curves-equator
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#1931624 - 09/27/24 10:45 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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motown59
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Interesting. You gonna pop for it?
There has to be some AI quantifying happening in order for it do decide what is a “problem.” And then, we’d have to trust that whatever it has done sounds better based on how imperfect monitoring is in our rooms.
I’m super impressed with the Clarity plugins. They’re indispensable for my work, but this seems pretty ambitious
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#1931626 - 09/27/24 10:47 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Gonna pass. Not interested in throwing money at Israel right now.
Beside that, Gullfoss already got my money years ago.
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#1931636 - 09/28/24 12:43 AM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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For$39?!
I'm thinking yes.
I was already going to get soothe 2 next...
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#1931959 - 09/29/24 04:17 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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#1932255 - 09/30/24 03:58 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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very interesting so far.
i have no other plug that does what this does.
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#1932258 - 09/30/24 04:18 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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RGR
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So .. erm.. instead of opening up an eq , raising up a narrow bell shaped band and scanning it along for bad sounding frequencies this this removes all that pain right?
I watched the waves promo video but he didn’t really tell me much .. I read the features and that told me more .. but half of went over my head ..
This thing cleans up my tracks automatically right .. so I don’t need to do all that manually ( because I generally fail at that lol! )
Sounds like it would save a fair bit of work ..
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#1932276 - 09/30/24 06:37 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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it depends if the AI is well programmed.
one test you can do: check what the AI tells you to fix on a given track.
than ask again for the same track; if the answer is quite different, then it's just snake oil.
then also, the result has to make sense.
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#1932307 - 09/30/24 07:46 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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THAT'S NOT how this works.
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#1932310 - 09/30/24 07:50 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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moontan
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THAT'S NOT how this works.
Immediately fix resonance, mud, harshness, imbalance & tonal inconsistency on ANY source
seems like AI to me.
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#1932338 - 09/30/24 08:26 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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you really don't know.
it's a tool, that you have to craft
you don't hit a button and walk away.
you have to make decisions with your ears.
the plug doesn't make the decisions for you.
it only shows you the resonances.
you decide what to do with them.
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#1932373 - 09/30/24 09:45 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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moontan
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good to hear.
i'm not too big with that AI stuff...
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#1932375 - 09/30/24 09:51 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan
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How much CPU does it suck?
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#1932377 - 09/30/24 09:55 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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#1932382 - 09/30/24 10:33 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Just a tech note: latency has nothing to do with DSP/CPU load. It's not made latent because it needs more CPU. It's made latent because it needs to analyze AHEAD in the audio stream.
Soothe2 uses a good amount of CPU...but, I never know how to quantify such things...I mean, it uses 100x more than an EQ or dynamics...but, less than an Abbey Road Plate reverb...but, more than any OTHER reverb I own...in line with IK's tape machine emulations, that I found strangely high CPU. It's TANGIBLE on the meter on a 12 thread desktop i7...
But, also--no it's not going to do anything automatically you can do manually. I've told my story about Soothe, no? About the ony time it saved me? I recorded a cleanish (non master volume) Fender guitar part with the amp cranked too loud...so, it activated a kind of boxy room node...I didn't notice until afterwards...no EQ...no "deboxy" plug...multiband dynamics..nothing would get that resonance gone. Soothe2 did.
It really NEEDs you to have nice monitoring, and a sensitivty for subtle changes....else you'll just make everything weird, which is it's "default".
I've never found what I call a "normal" use for it. I've tried the stuff where you put it on the music buss and have it side chained from the vocal...I had that sound nice once and very inferior on the next song...Eric Valentine uses it for stuff I would never bother, especially as "knob jockey" as his stuff sounds. He uses it to remove little metallic resonances in crash cymbals that annoy him...I mean...ok--you drums sound like a 90s lo fi sampler loop...you're bothered by little metallic ringing in you know a big piece of metal?
But, I have all kinds of "fix it tools" I don't think most people have the use for...because I am set up to mix whatever I get sent. To me--it's one of those tools I think is for "retracking"--what I call the initial process when I'm sent something to mix from a home studio--where I'm going through and correcting for mic placement and cheap electronics and poor monitoring there--so, just do it right the first time. Sure--you fuck up sometimes, see my above story--and it saved me...don't buy it and use it as substitute for addressing that in the first place.
Also--my experience is with Soothe...not this Waves version. I'm interested to hear differences.
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#1932390 - 09/30/24 10:44 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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it's very interesting.
come to find out, i'm not very good at finding bad resonances and masking all on my own.
i mean, i was getting there.... slowly but surely.....
i notice very little draw on CPU with my setup, which is now getting long in the tooth.
i'm familiar with soothe 2.
but would have never dropped that much coin on it.
my go to, for a while, for fixing things 'eq-ish', has been waves F6 dynamic EQ.
but i think this is far superior.
and yes, you can totally phuck sh!t up with this plug, if you don't know what you are doing, or just blindly go along for the ride.
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#1932637 - 10/01/24 06:58 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Remember way back in the day we all were in awe of Har_Bal 
It's like a real time Har_Bal
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#1932639 - 10/01/24 07:10 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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WELL, har bal never did any resonance frequency cleanups.
and could not be used in a side chain.
big big big big
big big big big
big big big big
big big big big
differences.
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#1932642 - 10/01/24 07:25 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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#1932644 - 10/01/24 07:38 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan
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WELL, har bal never did any resonance frequency cleanups.
and could not be used in a side chain.
big big big big
big big big big
big big big big
big big big big
differences.
is a game changer for what you do sonicly? Then it's worth the investment.
Can you guarantee my safety?
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#1932651 - 10/01/24 07:47 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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i promise you will be safe,
as long as you do not press the green button.
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#1932653 - 10/01/24 08:00 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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#1932721 - 10/01/24 11:01 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan
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I feel abit Cjo I bought it but I can't get it to be seen/found in my DAW. I'm too tired to continue my quest for now (I have work tomorrow) but will report back when sorted. I'm Pissed off though! Why is so?
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#1932724 - 10/01/24 11:06 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan, pretend you're going to reinstall the plug-in, and see where it installs. Just copy that path (ie. C:\Program Files\Common Files\vst3), and add that to where your DAW scans for plugins.
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#1932743 - Yesterday at 12:34 AM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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My daw (studio one) wants you to re-scan all vsts on the drive when setting new plugs...
It scans the entire drive. So any hidden plugs are found.
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#1932744 - Yesterday at 12:34 AM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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Works perfect every time.
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#1932746 - Yesterday at 01:07 AM
Re: waves curves-equator
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I feel abit Cjo I bought it but I can't get it to be seen/found in my DAW. I'm too tired to continue my quest for now (I have work tomorrow) but will report back when sorted. I'm Pissed off though! Why is so?
Check the blacklist...it's in Plug in Manager.
Welcome to modern Cubase. They test everything they find--if it deems it to have some problem, it automagically doesn't show you those pesky ones with problems. You can whitelist it...I think...I don't know that I've run into that issue.
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#1932833 - Yesterday at 01:56 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan
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Thanks I got it installed - I was looking in the wrong place
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#1932852 - Yesterday at 03:12 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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WHAT I'M FINDING,
is that i like it when it is very subtle.
watch all the vids, first...
understand the basics, then dive into the side chaining capabilities, which is where i think it shines.
also, think about resonances as the masking agents,
and sometimes taking down resonances, actually makes everything else sound like you turned it up, when you didn't...
super cool for basic ducking like vocals on top of keys, just get used to bussing things like multiple vocals, to a 'vocals' bus, and then applying the side chain to these busses...
makes it easier than having to do it more than once.
bass and kick, obvious..
keys vs SOLOS, obvious...
over the MAINS at the end of a mix, use it lightly.
learn how to change the crossovers...
how to work the levels on each band...
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#1932865 - Yesterday at 03:40 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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motown59
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I’ll be interested in hearing your next mixes as you get used to it.
Thanks for the info
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#1932875 - Yesterday at 04:13 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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I'M FINDING OUT THE HARD WAY....
LOL
adding a new plug like this at the END of mixing an entire album of songs,
is not smart.
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#1932960 - Yesterday at 08:54 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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Alan
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It's a great plug in. Thanks for the heads up on it Gonz
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#1932961 - Yesterday at 09:13 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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moontan
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I'M FINDING OUT THE HARD WAY....
LOL
adding a new plug like this at the END of mixing an entire album of songs,
is not smart.
ok, but what about an entire song?
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#1932963 - Yesterday at 09:23 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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WELL,
of course, i'm just starting to experiment with it.
i've used it 4 different ways, on 4 different songs so far.
different approaches, to see what works best for me, before i roll it into regular production.
i have 10 songs i'm re-mixing for a new album release right now and i'm almost finished...
and now i've got this cool new tool that i am finding is very useful in almost every one of my mixes...
it is a super useful tool, but it is also a rabbit hole.
for example:
i can put this across my MASTER bus, and just simply do a subtle resonance unmasking, and nothing else, and this is an improvement that i cannot make using my current box of tools.
but, if i deep dive, say, i have a vocal that is getting masked by a trio of rhythm guitar parts,
i can create a guitar bus, put this equator plug on it, side chain the vocal thru it, have it learn the vocal EQ 'fingerprint', and then just like we have done for years and years, using compressors to duck signal, i can use the Equator to 'duck' resonances that build up from the guitars with the addition of the vocal,
and it just gets those resonances out of the way only when the vocal is going.
it's a game changer for me.
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#1932966 - Yesterday at 09:26 PM
Re: waves curves-equator
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gonzo
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and it's part of the reason i put up the song i put up...
i did this 4 years ago, and haven't revisited it yet.
i always had masking issues, that i fixed as best as i could using EQ, dynamic Eq, compression, exciters, stereo spreaders, multiband limiting, etc....
so i'm going to use this song i posted as the guinea pig.
first, just music,
then, vocals.
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