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#523583 - 08/21/07 07:52 PM Annoying problem with Automix data
beyonder Offline
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Hoping someone here can help me because I'm at a bit of a loss what to do.

Im working on a project with a fair amount of automix data, which is controlling track volumes. However, despite the automix data I've written onto one of the tracks, the fader level on this track keeps jumping to -0.1db, regardless of the automix volume I've programmed. In a project where there are a lot of dynamic changes, this is making my VS2000 unusable.

I've not always been the best at regular hard disk maintenance so, thinking this might be a fragmentation or disk cleaning issue, I did a full physical format on the hard disk last night, also doing a surface scan at the end. However, when I recovered the project in question, the problem persists and I'm left tearing my hair out with a deadline to meet.

Can anyone shed any light on what's going on and, even better, suggest any potential solutions? All help very greatly appreciated.

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#523584 - 08/21/07 08:16 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
LakeStone Karl Offline
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Hints from the 2480 world:

Best bet is to go to AUTOMIX EDIT, and invoke the MICRO EDIT VIEW for the trouble track. perhaps you will find the culprit(s) there.

Another possibility is that the fader is inadvertantly "grouped" with another fader.
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#523585 - 08/21/07 08:28 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
beyonder Offline
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Thanks mate - I work a lot with micro edit and nothing unusual's showing up on that. I'm only using track level parameters and those irritating -0.1db resets aren't showing up on the micro edit screen. I've checked for volume offset and everything else and it's all clean: all the parameters are exactly as I've written them. Yet one track keeps jumping back to -0.1db - I've no idea why.

The problem is that it's obviously not just a fader display issue - the track mixer & master volumes are indicating unwanted dynamic changes and the problem is clearly audible. I'm stuck.

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#523586 - 08/21/07 08:34 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
LakeStone Karl Offline
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Just to get you over the hump...can you swap tracks with one that has no automation?

Not the "ideal" solution, but just offering up a work-around to get your song completed.
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#523587 - 08/21/07 09:26 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
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Well, what I've just tried to do was copy the audio and automation data to an empty track to see if that resolves the problem. Even more annoyingly, what's now happening is that different unwanted track volume jumps are appearing on this new track - at different times and at a different volume level (jumping to -0.3db this time instead of -0.1db previously).

Each time I write an automix track volume change, the track in question stays at its intended value for a few seconds and then moves randomly to the rogue value. There's no other automix data that I can see so I'm still at a loss as to what's causing the problem. Hmmm....

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#523588 - 08/22/07 12:19 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
LakeStone Karl Offline
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Do you have any MIDI stuff hooked up, and SysEx enabled? I recall one planeteer having some control issues (with his VS!) when his MIDI stuff was active...
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#523589 - 08/22/07 07:56 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data
beyonder Offline
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No - just audio. No midi devices at all.
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#815525 - 01/21/09 10:04 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: beyonder]
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I've had the same problems, in fact, many problems with automix. Here are some things that I have painstakingly learned.
1-If automixing a linked pair of channels (or indeed just fader-linked) you have to choose 'offset level' rather than 'level' in the target select screen. Not doing so leads to the strange fader level jumps that you describe.
2- To playback your automix, move all your faders to minus infinity, then turn automix off then on. If you have the faders up around the average automix levels, you can get these weird jumps as the auto-mix levels cross the physical fader positions (levels).
3- Always place an automix event (using snapshot or micro-edit) at the start of the project. Automix doesn't start reading anything until the first event is reached.
4- Be careful with scenes... actuating a scene will over-ride automix values at the current (stationary) 'now' line, then auto-mix will not kick in until it reaches a later event. So, after a scene change, turn automix off then on.
5- Be careful with your read/write/manual settings for different tracks. For instance, its very easy to forget to set a track to read after mixing it, then when you go on to mix another track you end up writing your previous track again if you bump its fader slightly.

Its all a nightmare basically: the two chapters of my manual that are literally thick with penciled annotations are Automix and Rhythm Track (another nightmare, although greatly improved in v2.005).
Having said all that, I think that when its up and running, and you get a good flow going with micro edit, the automix feature is nothing short of gorgeous, and overall, I'd still rather be sitting on the loo (can) studying my VS2000 manual than mucking around on a PC dealing with latency, crashes, overwhelming 'help' pages, and too many plugin options that ultimately get in the way of actually playing my guitar with a beautiful sound.

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#815562 - 01/21/09 11:45 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: eutak]
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I have had that problem also. My automixed track level jumping up and down all over the place. Nothing plugged in, nothing linked. Wait a minute! Come to think of it, it may have been on a default stereo track like number 15/16 or 17/18. I wonder if that is the reason. Hmmmm....Anyway, that is very annoying when working on a client's project that has deadlines involved.
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#815739 - 01/22/09 04:38 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: beyonder]
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Try going to Utility,System Parameters(param 1),"Fader Match" and click on "NULL" not jump(save it). Rerecord the automix data on that track and see if the fader jumps.Good luck!
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#818128 - 01/27/09 01:58 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: Bobkat]
dakine Offline
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I had some unexpected automix behavior on my 1880. What seemed to help is to set the channel's automix mode to 'play', not 'record'. On the 1880, this means that the light is illuminated steady, not blinking. (Of course, set it to 'record' when doing a snapshot or whatever). Hope this helps.
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#818745 - 01/28/09 03:44 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: dakine]
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As mentioned, most probs are solve-able via the graphic and edit pages. But AM does sometimes present gremlins.

I'd go forward and clear all of the track's AM values, and re-do the automix.

Good luck!

Let us know if you identify the root cause.


Edited by LarryG (01/28/09 03:45 AM)
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#1565536 - 03/11/18 07:10 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: eutak]
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I had the same problem, but your suggestion helped. Also when two channels are paired, the OFFSET PAN should be used - instead of PAN - at the first channel microedit field.
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#1571291 - 05/13/18 12:49 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: true_blue]
LarryG Offline
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What Eutak said. Pay special attention to his Item 2.

Also, do a forum search on automix and read carefully previous posts on this topic.

Keep at it... you'll figure it out.

AM is a great tool.

Good luck!

/L
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#1571296 - 05/13/18 03:06 PM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: LarryG]
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 Originally Posted By: LarryG
...

Keep at it... you'll figure it out.

AM is a great tool.

Good luck!

/L


Hopefully, they got it figured out by keeping at it..... nine years later. \:\)
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#1624724 - 08/06/19 02:21 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: uptildawn]
LarryG Offline
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 Originally Posted By: uptildawn
...

Hopefully, they got it figured out by keeping at it..... nine years later. \:\)


Just saw this, Up. Made me laugh!

Thanks.

/L


Edited by LarryG (08/06/19 02:22 AM)
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#1624754 - 08/06/19 05:53 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: LarryG]
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Hi guys, it's been a great nine years!
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#1624894 - 08/07/19 03:21 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: eutak]
LarryG Offline
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Lots of fun, E... and we’re still alive!

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#1637066 - 11/30/19 04:18 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: LarryG]
MeteorSharks Offline
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This happened to my VS2000
It was horrible. I found that if I unchecked the fader box in automix edit, it helped a lot. My master fader still jumps around a little. During mastering I have to keep my finger on the fader in case it jumps.
I'm thinking that a software update will fix everything, but what a hassle.


Edited by MeteorSharks (11/30/19 04:19 AM)

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#1648332 - 03/16/20 01:41 AM Re: Annoying problem with Automix data [Re: MeteorSharks]
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I would erase the data and re-automix the track.
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