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#646570 - 01/30/07 06:02 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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Nothing against you others, but this shit is way more fun to hit up, so here goes. Love ya moosey!

"paulb, is it not against your Christian commandments to lie?"

a) Am I speaking as a Christian?
b) No lies here.

"Then why do you do it all the time?"

Check b above.

"No, paulb, PTSD is not just a Western phenomena"

I thought that phenomena is plural.

" --- why would tell a lie like that???"

Check b above.

"Children who live in war zones around the world exhibit it,"

Show me some studies from non-western influenced information. Show me some untainted statistics. Or are you going to play the 'if you studied enough you'd know' bullsh&t'.


"soldiers from different war zones exhibit it."

What is 'it'?

"Mothers whose childred were murdered by the Chilean dictatorship exhibit it."

Misandry. Lies,

"It is a human phenonmena."

What is a phenomena? \:\)

"Why do you lie and spread misinformation ALL DAY LONG?"

I've told about what I spend 'all day long' doing, and it is far from spreading lies. It is actually helping disabled people to live as they wish.

"Don't you work, or are you sucking off the taxpayers?"

Indeed I do work. And if you want to talk about the people who suck off the tax payers, your lefty ways will be quite insulted by truth.

"The Christians certainly didn't do any good in Darfur, did they?"

The heathen suffered their sins.

"I'm sorry to say this, but I think the Christian missionary types are basically worthless."

You are not sorry. Who is lying? Worth is worth. Worthless is worthless. Take a closer look at God's truth.

"(I will except the Jesuits who actually start decent schools in the Third World.)"

Okay.

"I recently read a UN World Health Organization report on an African country, turns out there were 800 Christian churches and missionary centers being run by foreign missionaries in the country, and only 3 clinics and 1 school."

You do know about the UN agenda? C'mon!

"This in a country where medical care was a dire need. This tells me that the Christians are only interested in getting their God-brownie points for trying to convert people and have no interest in really helping the people with what they need: food and medicine and education."

This tells ME that you are into bullshit. The Christians, especially these days, save more lives and souls than the rest of the world even cares for.

If you are really into the truth, then you need to spend some time living it.

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#646571 - 01/30/07 09:39 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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So back to topic...the war's not going so well...but we are hearing the drums being beat towards Iran...Let's throw gas onna fire to deal with it..seems as logical as the rest of the story..carry on...
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#646572 - 01/30/07 08:29 PM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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""paulb, is it not against your Christian commandments to lie?"

a) Am I speaking as a Christian?"

I haven't read this thread till today, but this exchange caught my eye. Christians can speak as non-Christians? Really? I understand that they have non-Christian thoughts like everyone else, but isn't the deal with God supposed to be that everything you do and say reflects your Christian faith?

it would explain things if I knew Christians thought it was ok to pick and choose when they are supposed to be Christians, and when it is ok to be non-believers, heathens or pagans or some other group they wouldn't ordinarily recognize or support.
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#646573 - 01/30/07 11:15 PM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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Geeeeez.... Jazz found the thread. Beat it quick. \:D
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#646574 - 01/30/07 11:30 PM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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What makes one person qualified to judge another's faith? Granted, this goes both ways. What rubs me wrong is when someone is new to Christianity and they feel compelled to thrust their faith onto you. Ive mentioned the story about my friend several months ago. I pretty much shut him up by stating the fact that my faith has been consistant throughout my life and that he had nothing to worry about when it came to me. Sure, I havent lived as a perfect Christian. But, I never treated my faith as a rainy day one. Whether it be good times or bad, Ive always had my faith. Never using it as a crutch.
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#646575 - 01/30/07 11:44 PM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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You can run, but you can't hide, Tom. ;\)

"What makes one person qualified to judge another's faith?"

I believe that would be The Bible. Also apparently the Koran. It's kind a semantics game as far as I can see--many people wouldn't come right out and say 'I'm judging you because you don't believe what I do,' but they do the same thing by implying that "God" will judge us harshly for not believing as they do.

But this is a side discussion--I'd still like to hear Paul's response.
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#646576 - 01/30/07 11:56 PM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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Jazzoo, Romans 14:22...

"The faith you have, keep to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge himself by what he approves."

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#646577 - 01/31/07 01:36 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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"But this is a side discussion--I'd still like to hear Paul's response."

Often I speak from the secular viewpoint. What I generally find necessary is to prove my point to seculars in their playing field, as they will not respect God and his word.

Once done, I can go back and pick up the pieces for them, but even after being given the light from the secular perspective, they tend to fall back into their lefty hack sand dunes.

Yes. It is quite ok for me to address secular subject matter with secular material.

Thank you, and Jesus loves you.

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#646578 - 01/31/07 02:05 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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I'm sorry, but you are a poor example.
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#646579 - 01/31/07 03:20 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
paulb Offline
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"I'm sorry, but you are a poor example."

I'm guessing that is addressed towards me. You are probably right my friend. The better Christians are above all of this.

I am but a worker bee.

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#646580 - 01/31/07 03:21 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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Dr. Robinson
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#646581 - 01/31/07 03:30 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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here's some background on the site that NOK just liked us to:

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

Robinson's paper claimed to show that pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is actually a good thing. "As atmospheric CO2 increases," it stated, "plant growth rates increase. Also, leaves lose less water as CO2 increases, so that plants are able to grow under drier conditions. Animal life, which depends upon plant life for food, increases proportionally." As a result, Robinson concluded, industrial activities can be counted on to encourage greater species biodiversity and a greener planet:

As coal, oil, and natural gas are used to feed and lift from poverty vast numbers of people across the globe, more CO2 will be released into the atmosphere. This will help to maintain and improve the health, longevity, prosperity, and productivity of all people.

Human activities are believed to be responsible for the rise in CO2 level of the atmosphere. Mankind is moving the carbon in coal, oil, and natural gas from below ground to the atmosphere and surface, where it is available for conversion into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment of plants and animals as a result of the CO2 increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with far more plant and animal life as [sic] that with which we now are blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift from the Industrial Revolution.

In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

bottom line - this guy is out of his field and has a history of attempting to scam the public with deceptive publications.
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#646582 - 01/31/07 03:34 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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bottom line - this guy is out of his field and has a history of attempting to scam the public with deceptive publications.
your thoughts right?

so I should belive you too? what is your agenda? ;\) :p \:D

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#646583 - 01/31/07 03:45 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
lsmft Offline
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Originally posted by NOK:
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bottom line - this guy is out of his field and has a history of attempting to scam the public with deceptive publications.
your thoughts right?

so I should belive you too? what is your agenda? ;\) :p \:D
Can you rebut the facts I cite in my post? You don't have to believe me - the facts are what they are.

You seem to think agenda is a dirty word.

I am posting facts to support the argument that elevated levels of greenhouse gasses are a problem. This Dr. Robinson argues in opposition, although he has no standing to do so. Therefor I bring his lack of credentials and questionable history to the attention of the group as a way to discredit his position.
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#646584 - 01/31/07 03:58 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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You are posting lefty hack. Not that there is anything wrong with lefty hack, and all of that other lefty wierdo stuff...
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#646585 - 01/31/07 04:08 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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we shall all see as time goes, what i find interesting is the passion that is put forth here,, it seems like one could use their energies in something more than downtrodding and attempting to pursuade others to see their way.. and if by chance one tends to disagree I Have found this board in the last few years to be as jacakals upon prey..


I joined this board when Moon did.. I came in lighthearted and innonecent.. I have been brought to task for my spelling, my thoughts, my beliefs..

In reality I care not as to the carrying on of man and woman..

some have found that I put things in for aggravation. and for fun . a point on my part that perhahaps i shouldn't given to the temperament of so many involved.. ah, but some are arrogant in their ignorance.. do i speak of my self of you of people at large governments..

i say whatever.. nothing means anymore than what it does to the person involved and when others are found in like cause find relief in the moment..

there is NOTHING I see that anyone has done except spend an ornate amount of words..

bare with me a while longer as i quote Francis Bacon in the quise of Shakespear

Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

am JSD # 60 or something

continue with your ways may U find peace in advirsity

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#646586 - 01/31/07 04:21 AM Re: the war's not going so well, eh?
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The candle burns brightest when held in close proximity to a fresh methane source. Ha.
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