#940788 - 01/15/10 12:34 AM
Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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cajun
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I'm purchasing one of the focusrite isa preamps to use with my 2480. I'll be going straight into the line ins not digital in via rbus.
What are you guys doing with the external preamps?
any recommendations?
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#940790 - 01/15/10 12:39 AM
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Along with recommendations I would like to know the reason for adding a Pre-Amp to the 2480. Other than boosting a very low signal I am not sure what the advantage is and am curious. Thanks
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#940824 - 01/15/10 02:25 AM
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The main external pre I've used with my VS2400 is a Rupert Neve Portico 5012. It doesn't have AD so I simply go through the TRS jack with a balanced cable, and keep the VS's own pre trimmed right down. Improvement in sound is massive, but then again the Neve is a AU$3K pre, which is over twice what I paid for my VS (!), so it would want to sound good.
Given the choice I'd run an external pre through an AD converter and into the SPDIF input... that way you're taking the VS pres out of the equation.
To answer Sparky's question:
1) Better overall sound. The VS's pres aren't crap judged as a mid-range pro-sumer level preamp, but there's plenty of stuff out there that sounds better.
2) The VS pres are electrically balanced, IC opamp-based. Some people (ie. me) prefer the option of transformers, FET or tube based pres. All these, when used on the appropriate sound source, can colour the sound in a good way. 'Character' pres are pretty popular these days, and pros - who have access to lots of pres - will use one sort of pre for bass and something different for guitar, etc. in order to get the best sounds.
3) Gain. You mentioned this. The VS pres struggle with ribbon mics because they need so much gain. A quality external pre can provide the 50db+ of clean, noiseless gain you need to get the best out of these mics.
4) More inputs. The VS2x00s only have 8 pres, but have 16 simultaneous inputs. When tracking a full band I use a Presonus Digimax FS 8ch pre and AD converter... that runs optically into a DIF-AT24 then into my VS via RBUS... boom - 16 mic pres, and I can now properly mic the drum kit and guitar amps.
Hope that clarifies things.
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#940833 - 01/15/10 02:46 AM
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I use a Focusrite TrackMaster Pro, 2 ch Pre. It sounds MUCH better than the VS2480's pres to my ear. I just go thru the TRS & be sure the trim is down.
I've used a DI/O & gone into the VS2480 thru the SPDF with excellent results as well.
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#940835 - 01/15/10 02:51 AM
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I use a Focusrite TrackMaster Pro, 2 ch Pre. It sounds MUCH better than the VS2480's pres to my ear. I just go thru the TRS & be sure the trim is down.
I've used a DI/O & gone into the VS2480 thru the SPDF with excellent results as well.
Hey Headwerkin2.... So your optical out from teh Presonus sends 8 inputs to the DifAT24?....which then RBus2 to ch9-16?
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#940911 - 01/15/10 01:54 PM
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cajun
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Thanks for the info guys, I was hoping that I wouldn't spend money on something that I wouldn't notice by going into the TRS.
Over at gear slutz one of the guys told me it would be totally useless and a waste of money. But I was in the high end forum so I guess what we're trying to do with the 2480's is a totally waste of energy for some of those guys.
I'll find a DIF-AT24 and eventually get the digital card for the ISA
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#941186 - 01/16/10 10:40 AM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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AE-7000's using AES/EBU. Hard to find these days but I personally feel they are the best way to interface. I have an ISA-428 with the Digital Card Install. With one AE-7000 you get 8 Digital AES channels.
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#941204 - 01/16/10 02:19 PM
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I use Aphex 207Ds but go in via the analogue inputs. Main reason for using them is that the 2480 pres are noisy after about the 12 oclock positon and I like the warmer sound the Aphex provides as it has a valve stage.
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#941210 - 01/16/10 02:38 PM
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cajun
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does the ae-7000 take the place of the DIF-AT24?
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#941258 - 01/16/10 05:12 PM
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Mark Oakley
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Hi Cajunx;
The DIF-AT 24 converts 8 ch. of R-Bus to 8 Ch. of 24 bit, 48 kz ADAT.
The AE-7000 converts 8 ch. of R-Bus to 8 Ch. of 24 bit, 96 kz AES/EBU.
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#941267 - 01/16/10 05:50 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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eggwheat
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Well the guy obviously gave you some very good advice as he is absolutely correct. There in no point whatsoever in feeding a high quality preamp such as the ISA into the Roland lines, they feed directly into the opamps that you dont like the sounds of. Pointless. And in fact would probably cause an impedance issue.
You will have to go in digitally to bypass them.
Talking of gearslutz, seen this? http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/457531-focusrite-unveil-octopre-mkii-dynamic.html
Thanks for the info guys, I was hoping that I wouldn't spend money on something that I wouldn't notice by going into the TRS.
Over at gear slutz one of the guys told me it would be totally useless and a waste of money. But I was in the high end forum so I guess what we're trying to do with the 2480's is a totally waste of energy for some of those guys.
I'll find a DIF-AT24 and eventually get the digital card for the ISA
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#941602 - 01/17/10 11:36 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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eggwheat, I gotta disagree with some of what you said. Impedance issues notwithstanding (thats the part about which you may be correct, but I haven't seen any problems), there is a significant difference in sound quality plugin the Focusrite pre into the Roland analog inputs. I've A/B-ed with different pres & I get a significantly better sound piggy-backing a "better" pre onto the Roland Pre's zeroed. YMMV
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#941612 - 01/18/10 12:40 AM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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Yeah I have run a bass thru an ISA220 and just dumped that track into the Roland's pre. It was an improvment but in the future I will run the ISA220s into the Rosetta 200 then into the SPDIF. Part me thinks that most of this recording stuff is really about eq and how to use it... including when not to use it. I can get a great guitar sound from a 99 dollar Roland Micro Cube... I know how to dial it in... same thing with recording. Gotta know how to dial it in.
The Roland Pres are not bad. They are not the best thing on the planet but I don't hate them. I've gotten great acoustic drum tracks from them. I suppose if I were to look for something to be a let down about them I could find it... but people ususally see what they want to see. I can be really critical... I could probably find something wrong with something that is perfect.
Edited by tuvokzeta9 (01/20/10 05:14 AM) Edit Reason: typos
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#941640 - 01/18/10 03:39 AM
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Manley DVC through a RME ADi 2 spdif to the VS
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#941641 - 01/18/10 03:45 AM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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I too agree the best is to go digi & bypass, and I can do that...just sayin the Pre thru the pres is still better.
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#941662 - 01/18/10 05:49 AM
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I too agree the best is to go digi & bypass, and I can do that...just sayin the Pre thru the pres is still better.
I wonder what is taking place that makes the pre thru the pre better sounding to you? I'll have to do some A/B tests and hear this out.
I still want the SSL Xlogic Pre with the SPDIF out. I've heard some people dis that channel strip but I want to check it out anyhow. (Gearhead)
Edited by tuvokzeta9 (01/18/10 05:49 AM) Edit Reason: any edit I make is for typos!
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#941669 - 01/18/10 07:00 AM
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i've done it every way on the 2480 and the only way to fly is digital. first i bought an Avalon VT-737sp pre and ran it thru the vs pres with the gain pots turned all the way down. the quality difference was remarkable but.... after i added an apogee PSX-100 digital converter to my rig, it brought the quality to another level! every audio source benefits from going thru the avalon and apogee, but the bass and vocals is like wow! it was worth every penny. i've tried a lot of mics but finally settled in to a Neumann U-87 and AKG 414 C BULS. good luck on your decision. kib
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#941671 - 01/18/10 07:23 AM
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No doubt, it's better to bypass both the pre and converter together if you can (assuming you like the external pre/converter better to begin with).
The thing is, the VS pre/converter isn't quite as bad as some make it out. They're not great, but they aren't horrible either. The main problem I have with the internal pre is that:
a) They are a little clean for my taste with no real weight or depth. My external Pendulum pre is mostly clean too, but has more weight and I can drive it harder to pick up a little saturation if I want.
b) They do a decent enough job as long as you're feeding it a fairly hot signal and don't need to add a lot of gain. So, I have better luck with something like a tube mic with high output as opposed to a dynamic or ribbon on soft sources. It doesn't take much gain for the VS pre to start getting noisy/grainy.
The reason why you can have some success bypassing the pre and not the converter is you don't have to use any gain from the internal pre. There's not an impedance problem. Line out (external pre) to line in (VS pre) behaves like any other line in source.
Take the line out of something like a Great River pre and feed it into the line in of the VS. Get all the gain from the GR and you will hear the character of the GR. And, if you like that, you'll like it even better when you step up to a better converter too. But, if you can only afford one purchase at a time, don't sweat it too much, add the converter later.
If you are on a limited budget, I think it is a hell of lot worse to compromise on the pre and converter you buy than to buy want you want/need. IOW, don't skimp on the pre so you can afford a converter too. Buy the pre you want, then buy the converter if you have the funds, or save up and buy it later. Also, you may want to consider your first external pre to have a different flavor that the stock VS pre's. The VS pre doesn't have any mojo or color so you might want a pre that does (API, Neve, Great River, A-Designs, Daking, UA, etc.). Getting a great clean pre is cool too, just saying you might like having the option of having something totally different to choose from.
I'm just relating my own experiences and in the end, it doesn't mean a whole lot to anyone but me. There are folks that replace the pre or the pre and converter and don't see what all the fuss is about for whatever reason. There are a number of other variables. Rent or borrow some equipment first if you can. If not, buy somewhere that has a good return policy. All advice is just educated guess based on someone's personal experience which may not be relevant.
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#941707 - 01/18/10 01:29 PM
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cajun
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kib49, how are you hooking the apogee up to the psx-100 into the vs?
I learned a lot about preamps and a/d conversion in my search for a preamp. I realized that I would need to eventually go digitally into the 2480 by either a card in the pre or an ad conversion.
I purchased the isa 828 and awaiting it's arrival. I'll post back with my resuls.
thanks for the info guys.
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#941759 - 01/18/10 05:33 PM
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tuvokzeta9
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ISA 828... NICE!
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#941762 - 01/18/10 05:40 PM
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I wonder what is taking place that makes the pre thru the pre better sounding to you? no idea...just is. Now that said, the Art DI/O is THAT much better again. And I use that primarily....but prior to owning that I'd the Pre to Pre thing & its definetly different & better.
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#941849 - 01/18/10 09:57 PM
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eggwheat
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Of course I'm not denying you won't hear a difference by plugging in another microphone preamp into the Rolands existing mic pre-amp. You will obviously hear the tonal character of the first pre heavily masked by the Roland's .50 cent Op-amp IC.
I can add a tiny boost of 10khz to a signal and people will say 'ahh thats sounds much better', so I don't doubt some will percieve a tonal change to sound 'better'.
Tonal change and colour(distortion) is one tiny part of a pre amps sound. Transparency, transient responce, headroom are equally if not more important..transient responce being vital to things like drums etc.
But it will not make one iota of difference running the roland gain knob at zero. The op-amp doesnt suddenly dissappear out of the circuit because you turn the level down...You are still passing your $3000 signal through a 50 cent Op-amp whichever way you slice it.
$3000 worth of carefully designed transparency, transient responce and headroom will all but be destroyed. But If thats what you desire you are better off buying a 10 cent pack of resistors, than a $3000 pre amp to give you a change in tone.
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#941907 - 01/19/10 12:20 AM
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Eggwheat,
I do mostly agree with everything you are saying here on a technical level. Perhaps I'm one of those that's easily fooled as you are suggesting. Just to show the range of my ignorance, I've had similar experiences with major mic upgrades as well. Running a pair of KB84's through those 50 cent Op-amps worked a lot better for me than the C1000s I started with did. I sure didn't have much luck matching the two pairs with EQ. As I later upgraded pre's then later, converters, things just kept getting better. I was quite aware of my weak links in my chain along the way.
Similarly, through steps, I changed out my monitors, my room treatment, then my D/A and monitor controller.
I would agree with your general holistic view whether we're only talking about the input chain or the whole system. It often takes me several steps to realize the full potential/quality of a pieces of gear I've added. It's a financial limitation, not a intellectual or auditory limitation. For sure, if I could have upgraded everything at once it would have been preferred.
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#941914 - 01/19/10 01:17 AM
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For us > its the combination of the pre and converter ..that makes a difference. Mainly with vocal/ acoustic instruments ......
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (01/19/10 02:39 AM)
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#942172 - 01/20/10 01:30 AM
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Hey Headwerkin2.... So your optical out from teh Presonus sends 8 inputs to the DifAT24?....which then RBus2 to ch9-16?
Yep, that's what I'm doing.
I agree that the best way is to completely take the VS's AD and pres out of the equation. That said, the VS's AD isn't that bad either, and I doubt you'd hear much difference between it and the AD in a cheap pre/converter. An ISA with onboard AD on the other hand - oh yes!
Don't forget though, it's all pointless if the music isn't any good. Great music transcends crappy pres... good AD won't save bad music. ;-)
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#942256 - 01/20/10 05:18 AM
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tuvokzeta9
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headwerkn2! You nailed it with that last line. Right on!
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#942612 - 01/21/10 02:51 AM
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Ok, I had better clear up my thoughts expressed here. The question was asked "what are you guys doing". I said that an AE-7000 with the ISA-428 is a good choice, the reason I say this is because with the Focusrite card install you get an additional A/D into your VS via R-BUS.
As for the an analog scenario I have no problems with the VS2480 Pre's not one little bit. Reality is that some studio's have expensive and brilliant mixing consoles.
But are they used as a direct path from mic to console? More often than not - NO!
Why is this the case? Simply you can't get the quality of a preamp across a number of inputs without the cost going sky high.
This is why preamps exist to strengthen and improve the recoding signal. You just can't get that in most highend consoles either.
It's just a fact of life. Let's look at a modest $1500 + per channel for a preamp. If the VS2480 had something in the order of this scale of preamp the VS2480 would come in at a cost of $24,000 + dollars.
However, at a per channel cost the VS2480 is an absolute bargain. For me it simply gets down to this. If you can achieve the results you require via a more cost affective way then do it.
Why spend $100's of thousands on a console? 20+ years ago I remember money being piled into recording gear 1000's upon 1000's. The big purchase was usually the desk.
I prefer today's method, you can choose various inputs, make them instrument specific and tailor your studio requirements.
The VS2480 pre's are fine, actually they're pretty damn good, considering...
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#942648 - 01/21/10 03:45 AM
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tuvokzeta9
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Hey Paul, I agree. I like the pres in the Roland too. I like gear in general though... so a few extra pres and a good AD/DA is cool to have in the rack. Considering the cost of a 2480 back in the day when it was new... it is a bargain to get all those pres and EVERYTHING else for 3k or whatever was the going rate.
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#942702 - 01/21/10 08:23 AM
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kib49
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cajunx, i'm going SPDIF out from the apogee, to the 2480 coaxial in, using high quality cables. then you have to go into the VS routing screen and connect the lines from your recording track to the coax in.
it's all good, but the biggest difference is in vocals and any bass instrument. True Dat!!! kib
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#942703 - 01/21/10 08:45 AM
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kib49
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forget about the converter if you're on a budget. you can add that later. the pre is where you'll see the bang for your buck. not the converter. but i'm telling ya, there's no comparison between digital and analog bass, provided you have a good pre.
i got my avalon-737sp on ebay 5 years ago for $1700 including shipping. you might want to try ebay. you can save big bucks. i did it. i got the apogee PSX-100 for $1000 on ebay. it was $3000 new. just saying, ebay been very very good to me. kib...
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#943045 - 01/22/10 06:23 AM
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The pres and converters are where the money is I reckon. If you can optimise these 2 parts of the signal chain with high end gear (and the cables in between!) then you are well on your way... oh yes and Hedworkins last line is right on !! the music has to be good too! The 2480 pres and converters are not high end, as Roland had to meet a price bracket for their product, otherwise it would have been too expensive to purchase. In saying that the 2480 pres and converters are certainly not bad by any means, capable of achieving fantastic results. And the 2480's ability to just pick it up and take to a jam session or live performance and record soemthing makes it a pretty good package deal really.
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#943107 - 01/22/10 02:38 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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cajun
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did some quick drum recording with the isa 828 last night. Still trying to figure out the buttons. Immediately I noticed a big difference in the overheads. I'm just using 4 mics on the drums (Rode NT3 as overheads, 57 on Snare, D112 on bass drum)
It took me a little while to get a good level since i'm just going into the 2480 pres. Individually I didn't notice much difference at first in the snare and bass drum, but once I dialed in the eq and a little reverb and A/B'd it to the drums that I recorded over the last week there is a noticeable difference in detail.
I'll be on the lookout for the dif-at24 box first then a/d converters.
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#943149 - 01/22/10 04:13 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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tuvokzeta9
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Sounds like someone is having fun with an ISA828! Did you have a drummer at the kit while you were dialing it in or did you have to be the musician and session engineer? What kinda room were you in and how big is the kit, what kinda drums, heads, sticks... etc were you using? Congrats on the ISA828 BTW!
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#943248 - 01/22/10 08:03 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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cajun
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This weekend will be great to say the least. I am doing it the hard way. I record a little, run over and tweak things out. Record a little, Run over and tweak things out.
I'll start moving mics around and fine tuning everything to see what I can get out of the new pre.
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#943973 - 01/24/10 10:21 PM
Re: Who's using external preamps with 2480 and how are you connecting them?
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JazAddict
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Glad to hear it cajunx....lots of good mileage will come from that 828
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