recently, we talked about the new loudness standards for online music streaming.
i mentioned that the standards for Youtube/Spotify/Soundcloud were: * -1.0 dB True Peak * Integrated Loudness of -14.0 dB with a tolerance of 0.5 dB either way.
that wasn't entirely accurate, my bad.
it's: * 0.0 dB True Peak (need confirmation, might be -1.0 dB) * -14.0 dB Integrated Loudness * -13.5 dB Upper Integrated Loudness Tolerance * -15.5 dB Lower Integrated Loudness Tolerance so you can see the tolerance is a lot more generous for people needing more loudness/dynamic range.
here's the specs for the AES recommendations/Apple Soundcheck: * 1.0 dB True Peak * -16.0 dB Integrated Loudness * -15.5 dB Upper Integrated Loudness Tolerance * -17.5 dB Lower Integrated Loudness Tolerance
Yes, total volume control usage .. Had one on my tube radio in the 50's >> still one residing on all my gear now ...Way simple No mumble jumble of numbers /screens >> You have the loudness control = Keep your own standards ~~ with that knob..
missed point value = 0%
Edited by C Jo Go (03/20/1809:35 PM)
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Just not interested in the loudness wars. Like I said, I have a volume control to which I adjust volume to my liking.
this is precisely so people don't have to change the volume every time another song comes up. me, i'd rather use a volume knob at home.
but this is impractical in a public place and other cases. can you picture the barmaid having to bend over every time to adjust the volume? lol
and knowing what the specs are for music online streaming allows you to control what the end product should sound like, instead of letting Soundcloud and others mess with your music.
Originally Posted By: SteveW
I don't understand the whole thing.
I've put stuff up on YouTube and SoundCloud and never got anything or saw anything that gives me certain specs.
Naw :: I say let Soundcloud & others -- do the settings --- I upload ~~ they tweak the standard levels.
Saves me remastering any tunes.. and diggin' around
Set that needle and be done with it ..
you still don't get it.
if you put your music on an online streaming site and it doesn't follow the 'law' then your song could not only have its volume changed, but its dynamic as well. i'd rather be the one to decide what the dynamics of my song should be, within the tolerance allowed by such services/sites.
your clients are old farts that have to steal CD players from museums in order to listen to their music ! lol
Naw >> they have plenty of CD and cassette players ( one has mini-disc ) -- just no USB /Wireless stuff ... Some amazing old farts around here have wonderful LP collections , too. Its gear they understand == never changed for 40 years ...never an update
Edited by C Jo Go (03/21/1804:05 AM)
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don't get me wrong, i might be crazy but not stupid. at 50$, i'd be on top of this like white on rice. @ 100$, i might think a little before buying it. lol
until you've tried it, you don't really know how good it is.
to have k20, k18, k12, true peak and LU and LUFS all built into a daw module that is setup for mastering and distribution of any file at any level, it's a no brainer.
if you already have a daw, then you have to deal with add ons.
over the years, i've built a little collection of plugins a get along well with. and by using my 'own' plugins, i can move from DAW to DAW if i need to.
yeah, a 2$ hammer will do the job, but i'm sure a carpenter has his own collection of toll he/she likes to work with.
over the years, i've built a little collection of plugins a get along well with. and by using my 'own' plugins, i can move from DAW to DAW if i need to.
yeah, a 2$ hammer will do the job, but i'm sure a carpenter has his own collection of toll he/she likes to work with.
this plugin is superior to all others i've seen to date. it's not really a 'plugin' at all.
it's hard coded as part of the software. of course, if you had done your homework (or just bothered to look it up) i wouldn't be wasting so much time trying to explain it.
When did music get this complicated ?? Hope I never have to go there ...
i do not think there is anything complicated about it at all.
it just makes me curious as to why you seem to have such a hard time with it.
what i have found, over the years of using this kind of stuff via Wavelab, is that once i bring my typical mixes into such software to see where i land, i'lm already exactly where 'they' say the best levels should be, for either mixing, or mastering.
so, if you are doing it right, you don't even need this stuff!
over the years, i've built a little collection of plugins a get along well with. and by using my 'own' plugins, i can move from DAW to DAW if i need to.
yeah, a 2$ hammer will do the job, but i'm sure a carpenter has his own collection of toll he/she likes to work with.
this plugin is superior to all others i've seen to date. it's not really a 'plugin' at all.
it's hard coded as part of the software. of course, if you had done your homework (or just bothered to look it up) i wouldn't be wasting so much time trying to explain it.
ugh.
there you go again with your 'conspiracy theories'. where exactly did you get the part where i haven't done my homework? lol i owned Studio One Pro as well. the loudness analyzer in there is serviceable. but it has no histogram. if you claim the loudness analyzer in Studio One is as good as Bute, then i'd say you're the one who needs to get up to speed. just sayin'.
i probably evaluated 20 or more of those loudness analyzer. i purchased last years the Klangfreud LUFS Meter, which is very nice as well.
but i'm entitled to look at the latest and shiniest, methink ! lol
yes, we know Cjo: everything was so much simpler when we stroked 2 stones together to make fire !
They were still instructing that common app -- when I was in Cub Scouts ..back in the Midwest .. The Survival Badge required it ... of course, I cheated some..
Edited by C Jo Go (03/22/1810:12 PM)
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When did music get this complicated ?? Hope I never have to go there ...
is that once i bring my typical mixes into such software to see where i land, i'lm already exactly where 'they' say the best levels should be, for either mixing, or mastering.
so, if you are doing it right, you don't even need this stuff!
YMMV
Exactly -- your chain & gain going into the DAW ~~ is more than half your battle ..
Almost 98% is done before we even reach Reaper .. From the Roland to a rack of EQ / stereo comp >> no screens - OR endless drop-down menus involved -- more about the music.
Some may like their tech math more --
Edited by C Jo Go (03/22/1811:01 PM)
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No mumble jumble of numbers /screens >> You have the loudness control = 
Keep your own standards ~~ with that knob..
The simple days are gone.. 
On to the next. 
The Survival Badge required it ... of course, I cheated some.. 
